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leonard

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leonard says:

arrans lake 7000lb &5000lb carp

i do not know what you all think about the recent catchs at arrans lake 5000----7000lb of carp in keepnets over 6hrs that must have put some stress on them and then wehave all this hype about the use of keepnets was this sensible fishing or what? i know it was a match but surely we must start thinking of other ways to determine the care of the fish because if the antis get hold of storys like this they would have a field day and there is plenty of them in the goverment that want a ban on our sport Mr fred smith states that the lake is netted once a year and all sliver fish carp with imperfections are removed by imperfections does he mean damaged dorsal fins laterals and scales missing where they have been crammed in a keepnet for so long that they are bumping one another and rubbing against they keepnet.i am no killjoy        leonard  

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ALLROUNDERGREG

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Re: arrans lake 7000lb &5000lb carp

Hello leonard I have fished this lake and they do not allow keepnets except for matches it surprised me that the bulk of the fish are in fairly good condition considering some of the monkey's that I have seen fishing the place besides the carp there are some realy good roach in there but unless you fish hemp and caster you very rarely see them caught. It has always been crammed with carp. 100 pound bags are the norm in the winter on matches  One of my friends said to me last time he fished it a few weeks ago that he thougt it had been restocked with a lot more small carp.I agree with what you are saying  but we are in the minority this is what people want from a so called fishery these days it is a shame but thats the way it is. I seen people struggle to catch on this venue they have no idea you even get so called carp anglers on there with all the gear.The venue is kept in very good order by the owner shame the people that fish it were not better behaved and it is not just the youngsters.

                             If you want to see whats wrong with angling today have a day at ARRANS.Greg.

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leonard

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leonard says:

Re: arrans lake 7000lb &5000lb carp

greg i understand what you are saying that its not a everyday occurence but you still getting reports of catches from other fisheries of big catches  and will not be long before the antis get hold of it we have had threats in the past that they would like to see it banned if you can understand my meaning             tightlines leonard

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SPINNER

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 I have also fished this place and many other places in matches where 100lb, 200lb catches are the norm.  Can"t say that i enjoy fishing them and don't apart from matches. With most  of these types of waters having maximum of 50lb in a keepnet, where and how do you peg out 10 keepnets, most weigh ins are only at the end of matches . 

 

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bennygesserit

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Re: arrans lake 7000lb &5000lb carp

I can understand why people want to fish heavily stocked carp puddles - I don't know why no one ever admits that - perhaps I am the only one.

Sometimes I just want easy fishing where all I have to do is present the bait well and feed moderately well to catch fish. I don't fish like this all the time , I also fish the canal where the pleasure is in the fishing not the catching.

I'm under no illusions that I have suddenly become a great angler and I try to fish with nice surroundings when I go to a commercial , but with respect I think if anyone wants to catch a truly wild fish or get a real challenge as an angler then fish a river or a canal.

Of course the conclusion is that if there is no God head , no guiding hand , no mystical force , then we are all automata clinging to a rock , whizzing through space ,hurtling and clinging on to some God forsaken ride, chemical accidents , accidentally chemically aware , peeking at conciousness , trapped like rats in a rat trap.

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ironfever

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Re: arrans lake 7000lb &5000lb carp

Get yourselves on your local canal. No need for 2 or 3 keepnets as you aint gonna catch 100lb plus bags. I have fished th eprolific commercials that test your tackle to the limit and test the fishes lips to the limit unfortunately. I now stick to canals and i tis a pleasure whether I am getting 8lb bream or 5 ounce roach. One thing is for sure the fish I catch on the canal are usually in pristine condition.  

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mrwell

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I am in favour of fishing a hard water to catch on,a real test of my ability as a angler were you HAVE to work to catch a fish and that don't mean kilos of bait either....i fish a number of commercials that are very hard to catch on and there is no way you will bag 100lb let alone 5/7000lb but the fishing is top class because you have to work hard.

These waters that stock this amount of fish need there heads looking at,yes it is a business and they need money to survive but having a boat load of catch a cast carp is wrong.....these fish are going to suffer and i don't care if they look in great condition when these fish are caught like this they are going to be under a lot of unnecessary stress but i guess that is the last thing these guys think about when bagging up in such away.

I too will be trying out the canals and Rivers soon because i am looking at the challenge these waters give,but i will never fish a easy venue....whats the point....the days of me wanting to catch every cast have long gone...i want good quality fishing and that don't mean quantity...give me a 3lb Roach,a 4lb Perch or a good Tench,Bream only one would do me that's what i look for when i fish...QUALITY you can keep the quantity......i will never match fish on the grounds i just find it a quick ego fix to many who do it.....i caught 200lb today.....so what....well done....no way on a water that the fish are jumping in to the net it is no great feat these days,sorry but thats how i feel about these waters and the sooner these places go the better!

I make mistakes i am only human well half the time.

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ironfever

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ironfever says:

Re: arrans lake 7000lb &5000lb carp

mrwell said:

I am in favour of fishing a hard water to catch on,a real test of my ability as a angler were you HAVE to work to catch a fish and that don't mean kilos of bait either....i fish a number of commercials that are very hard to catch on and there is no way you will bag 100lb let alone 5/7000lb but the fishing is top class because you have to work hard.

These waters that stock this amount of fish need there heads looking at,yes it is a business and they need money to survive but having a boat load of catch a cast carp is wrong.....these fish are going to suffer and i don't care if they look in great condition when these fish are caught like this they are going to be under a lot of unnecessary stress but i guess that is the last thing these guys think about when bagging up in such away.

I too will be trying out the canals and Rivers soon because i am looking at the challenge these waters give,but i will never fish a easy venue....whats the point....the days of me wanting to catch every cast have long gone...i want good quality fishing and that don't mean quantity...give me a 3lb Roach,a 4lb Perch or a good Tench,Bream only one would do me that's what i look for when i fish...QUALITY you can keep the quantity......i will never match fish on the grounds i just find it a quick ego fix to many who do it.....i caught 200lb today.....so what....well done....no way on a water that the fish are jumping in to the net it is no great feat these days,sorry but thats how i feel about these waters and the sooner these places go the better!



 

I could not agree more mate. Good luck on the canals. Get rid of the animal elastic Mr Well and get used to fishing with 3 and 4 elastics and a top kit with 10 and away you go enjoy mate. When you catch take a couple of minutes to just look at what you just caught and how it compares to some of the fish in regular hard fished commercials there is a distinct difference.There lies the quality.    

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SPINNER

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 One other thing about these places are we catching the fish or feeding the fish. I think we are there to feed them, no way is there enough natural food in any water for this amount of fish. I assume that why most only stock carp because they will eat anything dead or alive. 

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ironfever

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Something that is really starting to worry me is the average size of the carp in some commercials. For example the average carp in Drayton reservoir is now knocking on for 18lb. They are big fish and they are not hard to catch. They will line up for floating baits and I have seen some youngsters catch them without a thought for the welfare of the fish.These fish are far too big for match fishing but regular matches are held there. How big will they be before people realise they are too big for matches. Only my opinion as always.  

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bennygesserit

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Re: arrans lake 7000lb &5000lb carp

Mr Well the ael fisheries guy , who although he had an unfortunate manner , beleives very strongly in quality fish. If you look at his username or some of his posts there are some video links etc.

Worth a look if you are looking for fisheries where the quality rather than the quantity seems to be the ethos.

 

Of course the conclusion is that if there is no God head , no guiding hand , no mystical force , then we are all automata clinging to a rock , whizzing through space ,hurtling and clinging on to some God forsaken ride, chemical accidents , accidentally chemically aware , peeking at conciousness , trapped like rats in a rat trap.

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