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mjstokes85

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mjstokes85 says:

Missing Bites on the pole

I went fishing yesterday to Sherwood Forest Farm Park Fishery near Clipstone, Notts and had what I would call a frustrating day. I literally had a bite a chuck, yet only finished the day with around 20 fish and need some help/advice. As I said, plenty of bites, but all the bites were so quick, the float shot under and shot back up in a split second, I would strike, and nothing was there. I waited to see if I could get a more positive bite, but it rarely happened, even when it did I still missed the bites. Were the quick bites actually "bites"? Was I striking wrong? Was I too slow? Is it to do with my tackle? I decided to shorten the length of line from the end of my pole to the float to about a foot, and this helped a bit, but not much. I left feeling frustrated and annoyed at myself that I couldn't turn 100s of bites in to more that 20 odd fish. I am no novice to fishing, but I am pretty much self taught and am left questioning my abilities as an angler after yesterday. Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks.

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Toombsy

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Toombsy says:

Re: Missing Bites on the pole

In order for us to help we'll need you to answer a few questions...

What bait was you using? What size of hook? Are there small fish like rudd and roach in the venue? What loosefeed was you putting in? And was you fishing on the bottom?

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ironfever

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ironfever says:

Re: Missing Bites on the pole

And what were the 20 fish you caught. For instance were they crucians well known shy biters or Ide also well known to be quick and shy. 

As a rough guess though I would say you were probably fishing very shallow with very little shot on the line with single maggot or caster or even very small pellet which was attracting the very small rudd.My solution would be fish deeper with bigger bait ie meat or paste.

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mjstokes85

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mjstokes85 says:

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Thanks for the sharp replies! I started the day fishing on the bottom with maggot and loose feeding maggot and didn't get many bites, as the day went on and got warmer and as i put maggot loose feed in I could see the fish coming right to the top and taking the maggots as they fell, so I shortened my depth to around a foot spead the shot out and started trying to catch them as the bait dropped. I tried sweetcorn, meat, pellet and maggot and always got these short sharp bites, nothing seemed to take the bait with confidence. I caught a few small Mirror Carp around 8oz, Chub, Skimmers, Golden Orfe and a couple of Perch. Was it because I was fishing so shallow I was getting these quick bites? I could see the fish going mad everytime I put some bait in, do you think I was feeding too much? I was putting in about 5-10 maggots every time I dropped the float in.

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norfolkinesox

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i would say the lightening bites are definately line bites,so to combat this you either need to come even shallower or maybe introduce a bit more feed to drive them down,it sounds like you have got a lot of fish in the swim and they are just darting around to get any morsal they can so not giving true bites just brushing against rig dragging it under.

it sounds like you have a venue with a massive head of silvers in this case i would do as ironfever stated fish bigger baits,put in a good amount of bait at the start like hard feed pellets(say 4mm)then meat corn  or whatever your chosen hookbait.as this will hopefully get to the bottom then when the bigger fish move in they will push the small silver out then introduce less regulary but more bait this gives a better chance of it gettin to the bottom.aslo put most of your bulk shot 2/3 down the line this will get the bait past the silvers to the bottom quicker(hopefully)

if wanting to catch the small silver which usually sit higher in the water then fish a very shallow rig but dont inroduce too much bait as the more fish you attract the more liners you can get,also try a bigger hook when they are competing like this then can usually hook them selves if its a true bite

dont get disheartened we have all fished venues like this and you can try all manner of things but sometimes it can be a struggle to get them to settle

 

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ironfever

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ironfever says:

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MJ

You are fishing a venue that is absoloutely chocka with carp. Forget the silver fish and get on pellet and paste on the deck. I have fished matches at Sherwood forest park farm and it is a pellet and paste venue with meat as a back up for down the margins. Unless of course you want to concentrate on catching the little silvers. If you do then Norfolks advice is spot on. I would suggest though mate you fish the place for its full potential as it is a cracking venue.

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norfolkinesox

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Re: Missing Bites on the pole

thats spot on tony someone who knows the place,if paste and pellet works then get on it its a great method especially now at this time of year and my own personal favourate method too.

http://www.gofishing.co.uk/Angling-Times/Section/how-to/Coarse-fishing-advice/Fishing-Rigs/Search-Results/Pole-Rigs/How-to-make-a-pole-rig-for-paste-fishing-for-stillwater-carp/

the link above shows how to fish paste this is how i like to as you know when the paste has come off ,thats if a carp hasnt hammered it before hand,i also like to put a paste pot on the pole to ship the soft bait out this sits back from the pole tip unlike conventional pole pots ,paste wise i use the old favourate green swim stim with tinned tuna in brine mushed in,make it up the night before,mix with water thoroughly until it feels just too soft to fish with then seal in a bag and place in the fridge the next morning it should be spot on.

feeding wise i feed a decent pot of 4 or 6mm hard pellets not soft pellets as silvers like them like that,along with four or five pieces of paste hook bait then with each put in a put a pinch of pellets in paste pot with hook bait and ship it out,thats a good starting strategy but you will find sometimes the paste hookbait can be enough or even dumping a lot of pellet every few fish may work but with practice this will come.

but ironfever knows the venue and if he says pellet and paste for the better fish try it mj

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mjstokes85

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mjstokes85 says:

Re: Missing Bites on the pole

Thanks for the replies and sound advice! Basically the reason I didn't fish pellet and paste method was because I never have before! I took some soft hookable pellets with me and like I said I tried them but I wasn't 100% what I was doing. Having learnt my fishing trade on Canals all this commercial pellet and paste stuff is pretty new to me, however I am keen to try it and learn how to use it properly. I suspect you are probably right about the bites I was getting, as like I said I only had a few small Carp and most of the fish I got were silvers. But ideally I would have liked more Carp. So basically I need to be fishing on the bottom for Carp, and need to get down to the bottom quick to bypass the smaller fish feeding up in the water, make sense I suppose. As for the paste rig, what sort of strength line and size hook should I be using? I will definately try this next time I am fishing there hopefully in a few weeks time. Thanks a lot for all the help.

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If1sky

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Carp will feed shallow, try casters. You will need about 3-4 pints to get the carp going shallow. Feed them heavily for about half an hour then when you have the fish feeding confidently cut the feed back to about 6 or 7 casters every 10-15 seconds. The fish will go a little deeper where you will be able to catch them easily. Keep your hook bait moving all the time by lifting and dropping back in.

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ironfever

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ironfever says:

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Mj

Head for holmedale lake mate this is the write up for it.

Holmedale Lake 2.5 acres, with 56 pegs.
Irregular shaped reed fringed, with lily pads and islands. Depth is less than 2ft at peg 18 to 5ft at peg 31 with an average of 3 feet.
Pole and feeder are the best methods including method feeder. Pole fished in the margins or at 12m out is best. sweetcorn, meat soft pellet and paste over carp pellets for lots of carp 12oz -15lb in match weights to over 100lb. Method feeder cast tight to the islands also produces lots of fish. the open match record is held by Steve Clark catching 222lb 8oz of carp on the pole, worm and pellet.156lb is the best club match weight and pleasure catches regular exceed 200lb. Carp dominate this lake but don't forget the large head of roach and Bream that can be caught on pole and chopped worm. Regular club and open matches are run on this lake.
Keepnets in matches only.

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norfolkinesox

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Re: Missing Bites on the pole

mjstokes85 said:

Thanks for the replies and sound advice! Basically the reason I didn't fish pellet and paste method was because I never have before! I took some soft hookable pellets with me and like I said I tried them but I wasn't 100% what I was doing. Having learnt my fishing trade on Canals all this commercial pellet and paste stuff is pretty new to me, however I am keen to try it and learn how to use it properly. I suspect you are probably right about the bites I was getting, as like I said I only had a few small Carp and most of the fish I got were silvers. But ideally I would have liked more Carp. So basically I need to be fishing on the bottom for Carp, and need to get down to the bottom quick to bypass the smaller fish feeding up in the water, make sense I suppose. As for the paste rig, what sort of strength line and size hook should I be using? I will definately try this next time I am fishing there hopefully in a few weeks time. Thanks a lot for all the help.



 

if using the high tech lines use at least 0.16mm line usually around 5 to 6lb breaking strain but can step up to 0.20 when they are big fish but ensure your poles up to this kind of tackle first,hook wise you can get away with bigger hooks ,depending on fishery rules ill go right up to an eight but more often around about a 12 is ideal for most fish

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