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david1884

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david1884 says:

Backleads in river fishing

I have been told that in order to avoid having to wind in for boat and canoe traffic on river I should use a backlead. When fishing my local river it is normal to use a 3 to 4 oz lead due to the flow and have the rod nearly vertical, say about 15 degrees from the vertical. Bite detection is by watching the rod tip which can move quite a lot due to the current.

Using a backlead would seem odd in this situation as the line would go almost vertically up the rod then straight down to the river bottom near the margins and then across the weedy bottom and I suspect would not be good for bite detection. The alternative would be to have the rod tip in the water, like you would when carp fishing on a windy day, which would give a better line lay but how do you detect bites then? I suspect that you couldn't use a bite alarm as the current would constantly set it off. I would also think a bobbin would go up and down like the proverbial ........

Is a backlead a non starter in this situation? Any ideas.

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ALLROUNDERGREG

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Re: Backleads in river fishing

A few of my friends fish canals and the Thames for carp and they use baitrunners and buzzers with back leads to avoid the boats  the trick is to adjust the tension on the baitrunner to accomodate the flow which can be a lot less because your line is pinned down also if you fish upstream the pin down affect is enhanced by the flow and you can reduce the amount of lead you need to use bites a registered on the buzzers you do not have to use a bobin but a lot of people do to pick up backdrops.

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david1884

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david1884 says:

Re: Backleads in river fishing

ALLROUNDERGREG said:

A few of my friends fish canals and the Thames for carp and they use baitrunners and buzzers with back leads to avoid the boats  the trick is to adjust the tension on the baitrunner to accomodate the flow which can be a lot less because your line is pinned down also if you fish upstream the pin down affect is enhanced by the flow and you can reduce the amount of lead you need to use bites a registered on the buzzers you do not have to use a bobin but a lot of people do to pick up backdrops.



Hi Greg

so you are advocating a carp style set up, like a rod pod? I tried this before and couldn't hold bottom with a 4 ounce lead so I used a near vertical rod - the flow on this river is greater than I have seen on the Thames or any canal. I have never seen anyone fishing there with a carp style set up. Maybe I will have to give it a go.

Thanks

David

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ALLROUNDERGREG

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Re: Backleads in river fishing

 David if you try fishing upstream you will be surprised how the flow forces the lead into the bottomand it also pins down the line hence less lead is needed  I fished quite few venues for chub and barbel using this method but you do get some very strange bites if the tip or rod make any strange movement wind down and hit it I do not use back leads for my fishing give the upstream method a try do not over tighten the line let the flow pin it to the bottom.

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jack244

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jack244 says:

Re: Backleads in river fishing

Hi David....the only time I use backlads in rivers is when there is a lot of water after flooding...it helps my line hug the bottom whilst all the rubbish that invariably sails down rivers when the water is high simply flows over it all....and I avoid it tangling my line up...

Works a treat but it is a bit awkward to use....

Jack

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Carpin Capers

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Re: Backleads in river fishing

 I have used flying backleads on the canal to save winding in for boat traffic and I use them all the time for still water feeder fishing. For some reason I have never  tried using them on a river, maybe I should.

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david1884

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david1884 says:

Re: Backleads in river fishing

Hi all

thanks for the advice. It looks like I have to fish upstream and have my rod low if I am going to use a backlead. It also seems that I need to keep the line fairly slack. This is against my instincts but I will give it a go.

David

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ALLROUNDERGREG

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Re: Backleads in river fishing

 When you fish up stream the flow keep your line tight if you fish a tight line the flow will move your lead and bait out of the area you want to fish most of the bites will be drop backs of one kind or another. you do not realy need back leads for upstream ledgering.

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