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Forty years of being a bailiff

 

I first became a bailiff in 1972 it was a eye opener as for the previous seventeen years I had learnt to dodge them being a persistant poacher but there is much more to bailiffing than chasing and catching poachers even though it can a rewarding exercise. When I became a bailiff I was like a new broom and swept all before me enforcing the rules to the letter and putting my own interpretation on the ones that were a bit vague . but I soon found out that this was not the best way to go it tends to put other members backs up and when assistance is needed to do a job on the fishery it is not forthcoming . So I eased off the peddle a bit and got the members more on side and formed a fishery management group for those that were interested in improving the fishery after about a year this became the fishery management sub committee that had responsibilty for all plannig and improvement work on the fishery .We had a committee of eight two carp anglers two match anglers and three pleasure so all opinions were represented. We took control of all working parties material and tools. after another year the responce from the membership was great we were getting up to ninty members at a time turn up for working parties we organised them into gangs of between five and ten and put them to work on specific tasks with one person per gang in charge of there task it worked a treat the club bought the tools and materials we put forward what we needed in advance and the club supplied the money By the third year we had two forty foot containers on site full of tools picks mattocks spades shovels sledge hammers hammers every kind of tool that you could want and a dumper truck three chain saws two bushcutters three strimmers a sit on mower three hand mowers and two work boats there were no idle hands on the working parties the tools for the job was there and boy did they get on with it. Before this time the fishery had not been worked on for fouteen years so there was plenty to do and plenty of young hands to do it the old members could not believe the transformation that was happening they thought the sun shone out of our backsides. In 1958 the lake had not been touched since the late thirties and was a beutifull place but in 58 the owners BOYERS decided to re dig it and tore the place apart the trees went the lake was expanded from four to ten acres the water became coloured with the use of drag lines to excavate the sand and gravel it became a raw pit no bankside growth no weed at all just a hole in the ground and that was the way it stayed till 1970 at which time this exclusive water with a membership of 30 old men who had seen there famous fishery ripped apart and destroyed opened there books to anyone who was prepared to pay the price five guineas £5-5 shillings plus twenty pound joining fee and they filled there books and left them with a large waiting list on the reputation that the lake had for its fishing built up over the previous fifty years. T.B.C.

 

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 The fishery started to buzz members were getting involved meetings were well attended two hundred plus at AGMs and between forty to sixty at monthly meetings competitions well attended and club outings even the dinner and dance was a sell out and had to be taken to a new bigger venue .the next development was to bring in some fishery expertise to get to the bottom of some of the fishery problems.I contacted a man from Birmingham named Ron Felton he was a big fella with a big reputation I new of him from the angling press for the catching of some big roach from the Nadder in Wiltshire . But he also lectured at birmingham uni and had his own fisheries and fishery bussiness .he came down for two days and stayed at my house we hit it off and became great friends over the next twenty years. He pointed out that the main problems were to many small fish to many of one particular specie namley Bream to little natural feed and the lake water was far to acid this was the main reason for no plant life in the magins and no weed growth the food chain was non existant and there was no quick fix he said get the water right and nature with a little help will do the rest So we drew up a four year plan The first step was to remove as many small bream as possible and sell them to raise some more money to help with the plan. A sample of ten fish was sent off to Thames water as it was then and the fisheries officer contacted me and said they were infested with ligular tapeworm and that they could not be moved and would have to be destroyed on site and that netting them out and destroying them was the only way to reduce the infestation. It was not  what we wanted to hear but the members could see it was for the best and the job was done every year for four years the rmaining bream got bigger and this went a long way to keeping members happy also small stockings of good quality roach tench were going in . The water impovement plan involved getting the PH up to 7 from 6 which was very acid and fertilizing the lake bed We started by liming the fishery and dressing with super phosphate things started to improve slowly at first but increasing in speed as time went on .The food table was very low small fish did okay for their first two or three years but not a lot for them after that. So we decided to introduce a supplementory feed during the close season in the way of soaked wheat and trout pellet the first year five hundred pound of each the difference was amazing the quality and weight gain was beyond our dreams anglers were saying what have you been feeding these fish they are fighting like mad even the bream are trying to fight so we upped the anti  I baught  ten hundred weight of best wheat and two tons of trout pellet from BP mainstream it cost about £10 per cwt bag I sold it to the members for the same price and to other clubs at a profit it worked out all in all it cost the club next to nothing at its peak we had a ton and a half of feed going in for five years .we had another survey done by Alwyne Wheeler at the end of this period and he said untill you have a natural habitate to support the fish you are carrying you must keep on feeding . In the mid 80s I knew of a water that  had a very simular problem and they had treated the water with Siltex . T.B.C.

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 This is interesting greg, carry on...

I live with FEAR everyday sometimes she lets me go fishin

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Siltex is a chalk product that I had been told about years earlier but it was imported from France as champagne chalk it has an exceptionally small grain size and it is that small that it can get between the grains of silt and cause several benificial things to happen But anyway a english company that have a quarry in Needham Suffolk found a seam of this perticular chalk and started to market it we consulted the experts and they reckoned about seventy metric tonnes in two dressings first dressing forty tonnes then twelve months later another thirty tonnes it had to be put in as an emulsion  so we used the big zodiac that I obtained from a friend of mine it had been used in the transworld expidition he bought a few of them to referb the cells were filled with expanded foam were fifteen feet long six feet wide built to carry stores we could carry a tonne at a time and pour the siltex into the outboard well and let the prop do the mixing. The members turned up to unload the first forty tonnes from the artic that delivered it it had to be stacked and covered this was in early november and four of us started work on putting it in the next day it took us from 7am till 9 pm with members turning up though the course of the day to help out. It was a bit  disconserting to see the lake looking like it was filled with milk it stayed like that for months it did not seem to effect the fishing in any way it had still not cleared completly when it was time for the next application in the following november . We went through the same procedure again with thirty tonnes. the following year nothing much happened and members were saying it was a waste of effort and money but things were starting to happen things that they could not see but for me who spent nearly as much time in the water as the fish it was happening .There was some critercism of myself from some quarters and I told them that when it went it would turn into a meadow from bank to bank top to bottom they laughed  the following year it did just that the water went crystal in early march everthing settled out all the suspended solids were taken to the bottom of the lake the siltex activated the stored nutriments in the silt the sunlight penetrated the lake for the first time in thirty years and WHAM! the weed life exploded and the food chain with it . How we dealt with the weed will follow.T.B.C.

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 During the course of the close season the weed got thicker and thicker by may the lake was completlly covered this was as the fishery was before it was re excavated in 58 it always had a reputation for being weedy and that was how I remembered it in my early poaching days . Richard Walker who was a past member and vice president developed his balanced paste bait for fishing the Bec and indeed caught his very first 20+carp from the Bec it weighed 22pound 12oz using this method in Augus 52 before he caught the 44 pound from Redmire  September 1952 So after about twelve years of effort we had overcome our main problem and now we had another how to manage the weed the only way is manually by cutting and drags in the back of the old fishing hut were some old weed saws wire cable with blades and lead barrel weights spaced along them they dated back to before the war but were still usable we made up from scaffold boards twelve foot long fitted with eightinch spikes with chains attached to ropes that went to a central rope that could be pulled by the dumper two members one of them being me would take the board out push the board under the weed and hold it down and the dumper would do the pulling it worked a treat as long as you had the bodies on the bank to shift the weed we managed to make the lake fisherble in one weekend thanks to team work we left some areas weeded for those that wanted it that way. One day I was doing my rounds and a regular carp angler was having a moan at me about the weed and saying how hard it had made his fishing. Now bearing in mind that members were allowed to clear a swim if they wanted to and that small weed rakes were available at all times I said to him do you want me to show you how it is done I stripped off waded out about twenty foot from the bank cleared the weed bought it back to the bank and said to him I am going to do the rest of my rounds see you when I get back. It took me an hour to get around the lake and when I got to him he said I do not believe it I have had three carp since you left the first one within ten minutes. I said to him next time you can clear your own weed . The food chain developed the weed growth gradually sorted itself out with a bit of management and the nutrient levels dropped the fish carried on gaining weight and the fishery started to mature all was well at the Bec and then it happened the big storm the night the hurricane hit the bec is situated between houses on one side the railway and factory on the other a natural tunnel laying from west to east. T.B.C.

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 Very interesting Greg 

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Sorry been fishing today and I am a bit tired will give it a go tomorrow 

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 For those of you that have your own memories of that night in 1987 15th / 16th of October my youngest sons sixth birthday you will remember it for the rest of your life. By the morning at least seventeen people dead and hundreds injured homes wrecked and the countryside ripped apart . The Bec  was like a bomb had hit it trees uprooted the few big trees over fifty year old were upended enormouse holes in the ground where thier root systems had been torn out the sunken islands in the middle of the lake were torn apart the biggest looked like someone had driven a forty foot artic though the middlle the east end of the lake was piled high with all sorts of debris tress plants the remains of resident garden sheds and fences broken branches piled six fet high it was a bloody mess phone calls were made and the members got stuck in two JCBs turned up and about thirty members on the first day the big trees were the biggest problem as they were on the lake boundry and had crashed though the fences they were up to fifty foot high when they were standing . We cut off the bulk of the top growth put wire cables on them and pulled them as upright as we could using the Jcbs then supported them with props and staked ropes we managed to save the vast majority of the tress that had gone over in this way the broken timber was gathered into piles and burnt it took weeks to just clear the debris let alone getting to work on the destroyed islands that needed to be rebuilt and replanted . One or two of the club members were roofers and with all the damage that was done they had work for months all of the old roffing tiles ended up over the lake we had tonnes of them coming in every week these are what we used to rebuild the islands with and another member had a landscape business and all the soil needed for topping off the islands came from this source it took two years to rebuild those islands hundreds of tonnes of hardcore and topsoil ferried out on the big zodiac and a 18 foot delquay dory and a fair few of the workers ended up in the lake all persons that worked on this job wore life jackets gradually the lake with a lot of help from the members started to recover but not befoe we had anothe big blow a few years later but this time there was some warning but again the lake took a bashing but not like in 87 .Two of my friends were fishing another water near Chelmsford the night of the big storm in 87 one of thier wives had dropped them off in the middle of the countrside and was picking them up the next day they had most of their gear smashed by falling trees and were very lucky not to get injured they spent most the night laying down in the middle of an open field with what the could salvage around them they were not picked up till late the next day because of the blocked roads.TBC

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 The biggest interest to the bulk of members over the years has been fish stocks a good quality water can support about 600 pound of fish an acre allowing for growth of the stock but our water had a very low food table in the early seventies we were told by the experts that the water was vastly overstocked with skimmer bream wich were about all you could catch. If you were very lucky  you caught the odd roach or tench the few carp anglers that fished in those days used  mainly par boiled baits like spuds and parsnip if they used paste it was big at least the size of a tangerine supported with a 30 mm crust pad on a size two hook because of the bream. The club had been removing the bream for years but not on the scale big enough to make a difference .So we started to net them out in seriuos amounts tons to be exact and members screamed but we carried on then in the first comp of the new season held on the first sunday every year members were catching tench and good quality roach some of the members reckoned we had stocked these fish with out telling the members but that was not the case. the members wanted a good mixed fishery so I put up a plan to keep removing the bream and restock with other fish namely crusion roach and tench and carp at a ratio of 50% of what we removed stockings to take place every october / november all carp to be young fish not bigger than 3 pound and no more than 100 every ten years in this way we hope to keep the fishery as balanced as possible. We carried on a yearly removal of the bream untill thier average size was 3 pound in this way match anglers in a match of say 20 anglers would take up to three nets between 30 and seventy pounds even more on the all night match the average weight of bream in the fishery today is in excess of five pound with the older fish running to mid double figures. The roach and tench fishing has suffered in the last  fifeteen years as the genral membership has fallen away in favour of easier fishing on more heavily stocked waters the fishing on the Bec has never been easy but the quality of the fishery and the stock that can be caught is second to none it produces quality angling across the board carp ticket are restricted but pleasure tickets are not at this time .the society has been on this lake since 1926 it has a very long angling history and has just re-newed its lease for another 25 years and will take us into our centenery in another fourteen years I hope to be around to fish it. T.B.C.

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Interesting read, lot iof work gone into your fishery. Remember the stroms well. Stuck in Tunbridge Wells that day all the roads blocked and walked in the local park. Looked like a bomb had hit it. Hardly a tree standing.

The power of nature is awesome. Sometime before this had a sea storm wash over the beach in Deal kent. Lamp posts bent at 90 degrees and a several tonned bull dozer moved 50 ft across the seafornt road. I woke up looking at the sky with a 6ft hole in the roof. Slept right through it, gave up drinking after that. But, it is frightening what nature can do; never under estimate it.

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 Yes MG a lot of work but I have enjoyed doing it and members do appreciate what has been done it is amazing what can be achieved when people pull together. I use to fish Deal a lot in the 80s one sunday we got there and our useual skipper said no way but one of the other skippers took us out about three hours later the storm hit and we had to run in the waves were running along the beach from Walmer. We sat off the beach the skipper talking to the beach master they linked two winches together and said surf in on the next big wave the skipper told us to get everything in the wheelhouse and go to the stern and when we hit the beach to run forward into the wheel house and under no circumstances to jump out of the boat. we surfed in and the beach crew banged on the shackle the winches were running at full throttle they slammed them into gear and we went up the beach like a rocket before the next wave could hit the boat which would have turned her over the skipper got a repremand on his licence. I never took a chance again after that. Had some good fishing from Deal.

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