GREG i thought i would keep you waiting for the dace,,,i think you might find this more to your liking,,,,i was working at the BSA Motor Cycles in 1969 and one night reading the angling times i noticed a full page spread on IBSLEY the Earl of Normantons water 6 miles of water above and below IBSLEY bridge day permits 6 shillings a day only 6 anglers allowed each day,,,,i belive the story was written by Tom Williams a river keeper you might know him i dont know he used to write every week in the paper,,,,talking about my river,,,,,and the different seasons during the year,,,,,anyway this spread got me going and i had to go and fish it so we got three tickets off the bailiff LT COL CROWE and what a man he was,,,i dont know if you ever met him,,,,,we had to collect our permits at 9am from his house just by the river and pay of course,,,we arrived in plenty of time infact we had breakfast on the river bridge,,,,at around 8 55am i made the fatal mistake of knocking his door what a rollocking i got from the man,,,,9 am is the time said he not 8 55am and shut the bloody door in my face,,,,we had a laugh about it after and became friendly with the old man,,,,,because we made a few visits.....the fishing was fantastic big roach massive perch chub and barbel,,,,the only trouble was if they had been weed cutting upstream you could only fish the backwaters but never the less a fantastic venue did you ever fish it?????